Despite what it says in the intro this is episode 44. I talk to spider advocate Tea Francis about the relationship between ladybirds and spiders. We talk about the rare and beautiful Ladybird Spider, what spiders do with ladybirds in their webs, spiders which eat aphids, how to start keeping invertebrates and more! 

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